Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:07:48 GMT 12
Nah, reckon he’s realised the added value and appeal to the true enthusiast in the mis-matched veneer. That’s like an autographed first pressing White album with two ‘A’ sides... 😳🤔
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Post by michaelw on Oct 15, 2019 12:52:17 GMT 12
or opening your new springsteen album to find barbra streisand labels
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:59:21 GMT 12
That’d serve you right for buying Springsteen albums!? 😂
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Post by michaelw on Oct 15, 2019 15:17:56 GMT 12
heard worse than the boss
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Post by Citroen on Oct 15, 2019 15:24:43 GMT 12
Nebraska. Brilliant album.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Oct 17, 2019 6:49:43 GMT 12
And thats a no comment from Mr Heathen !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 8:06:57 GMT 12
And thats a no comment from Mr Heathen ! I loathe ‘The Boss’. See, didn’t need saying.
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Post by Citroen on Oct 27, 2019 18:30:46 GMT 12
ACOUSTIC SOLID "Solid One" Turntable, 3 armboards *Reference Audio www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2372701791Lots of bling! Start Price $5000, Buy Now $5900 That Aura looks miniscule in comparison and it looks very similar to the Acoustic Signature (which I have heard) I wonder if its the same one that Terry at Audio Reference was selling.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 27, 2019 19:01:02 GMT 12
heavy metal !
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Post by raveydave on Oct 28, 2019 16:08:32 GMT 12
It’s an impressive beast! So, what are the compromises vs benefits of high mass turntable design? I’m guessing that they will have rock-solid pitch stability and bass “weight”... but what do they give away to achieve this?
Or put another way, what do the fancy rim-drives and high-end direct drives (SP10, L07D etc) have, that these don’t? I’m genuinely curious. 🤔
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Post by Citroen on Oct 28, 2019 16:27:18 GMT 12
Arguably leading edge attack on direct drive/rim drive vs belt creep, leading to less immediate pitch stability. But more "noise" due to direct coupling of motor to platter.
High mass vs low mass is another thing, as you often have high mass rim or direct drive, via the plinth rather than the platter.
High mass to absorb vibrations, low mass to quickly dissipate them?
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Post by raveydave on Oct 28, 2019 16:36:22 GMT 12
Thanks Citroen, of course that makes sense about the leading edge. I should have been more specific, I guess i was really referring to high-mass platters - like the Aura, Acoustic Solid etc. I can imagine it takes a while for the platter to get up to speed, compared to a DD for example. So, less convenient?
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Oct 28, 2019 16:53:36 GMT 12
3 armboards but no arm...
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Post by raveydave on Oct 28, 2019 16:56:44 GMT 12
Yip. Mostly ‘armless. 🙄
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Post by Gryffles on Oct 28, 2019 17:44:44 GMT 12
Thanks Citroen, of course that makes sense about the leading edge. I should have been more specific, I guess i was really referring to high-mass platters - like the Aura, Acoustic Solid etc. I can imagine it takes a while for the platter to get up to speed, compared to a DD for example. So, less convenient? Convenience and vinyl.......yeah right. Tui ad right there
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Post by LinnBoy on Oct 28, 2019 17:57:59 GMT 12
There was an LP12 for sale on TradeMe in Dunedin several months back, had an Ekos and a dynavector cartridge on it. It didn't sell. Anyone here selling it or know of it?
I am a non-recovering audioholic, and Ivor is my higher power.
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Post by LinnBoy on Oct 28, 2019 17:59:37 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Oct 28, 2019 18:16:26 GMT 12
It has the rare pink turntable lid, worth about $3-400 to get made up from overseas.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 28, 2019 18:59:40 GMT 12
better than a logic dm10 but it's no linn fantasy land price i think i know the seller
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 28, 2019 19:21:41 GMT 12
I'd be a bit concerned that someone has 'dampened' the Aerolam chassis board. (Possibly a known tweak? I don't know.)
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Post by Citroen on Oct 28, 2019 19:25:14 GMT 12
About 10 years ago I was offered a PT Too with RB600 for about $700. Yes, his price does seem a bit dreamy.
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Post by Citroen on Oct 28, 2019 19:36:21 GMT 12
Certainly dampening of the top plate with good old dynamat, but also the aerolam sub-chassis with lighter material. PT used an extra layer of balsa in a later model.
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Post by cooksferry on Oct 29, 2019 6:45:12 GMT 12
I should have been more specific, I guess i was really referring to high-mass platters - like the Aura, Acoustic Solid etc. I can imagine it takes a while for the platter to get up to speed, compared to a DD for example. So, less convenient? Not sure how my platter weight compares to tables like the Aura but it's 6cm deep acrylic with a couple of fairly large magnets on the underside.. Even with a hefty centre weight thrown in I'd say it takes one revolution tops to be up to speed. With the copper outer ring on it might take two.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 29, 2019 9:59:09 GMT 12
The idea of a high mass platter (on a belt drive especially), is of course to try to reduce platter micro-speed variations due to 'stylus drag' - audible via the 'leading edges' of music transients & the overall 'attack' & 'crispness' of the reproduction. Technically, we're talking about 'rotational inertia' or Angular Momentum of the platter - the higher the better. However, mass is only one factor, as Angular Momentum is proportional to mass & rpm speed & also to diameter squared. So whilst a TT platter can be made ultra-heavy, its rpm speed is relatively low (33/45rpm). This one reason why the last iteration Auras (not the one pictured above) were clever designs, utilising a ~5kg, 100mm diam., high-speed (~270rpm) intermediate flywheel, coupled to the Aura's ~15kg, 300mm diam., platter (with perimeter 'flyweights').
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Post by sub on Oct 29, 2019 16:17:49 GMT 12
Monsieur Citroen clearly did not seriously want this turntable, he stopped bidding early! It went for a good price I thought, but clearly Mr Istraka will on sell for a profit in due course, I would have been tempted, but am short of spending money at this time. www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2366901559&archive=1
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Post by Citroen on Oct 29, 2019 17:08:26 GMT 12
I have one already, which only cost about half that price. So, yes, only interested if it was cheap.
Mr Istraka will sell as Katieharry for a whole lot more!
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Post by Citroen on Nov 1, 2019 19:29:20 GMT 12
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Post by michaelw on Nov 1, 2019 19:41:11 GMT 12
how does the paint get so scruffy ?
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Post by Owen Y on Nov 1, 2019 20:00:03 GMT 12
I seem to recall that early Auras were built with steel square base plates, not black 10mm acrylic as most Auras. This appears to be one of those early ones. However the motor unit has an (early low mass brass) intermediate flywheel - which appeared around 2002.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Nov 2, 2019 16:14:31 GMT 12
I dont know a great deal about these but that would seem a bit expensive bearing in mind condition and what needs doing to get it it to a playable condition ?
Or is it a bargain ?
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