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Post by Gryffles on Nov 22, 2017 21:38:40 GMT 12
snewtI clearly remember the Benz giving the Shelter a bit of a whipping when we first heard it at your old place. Maybe it is the setup as the Shelter should be less sensitive with it's elliptical vs the Benz microridge Thats a shame you don't have the ARC back yet
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Post by snewt on Nov 23, 2017 16:57:40 GMT 12
You're absolutely right Ben, that was a revelatory experience. I'd never heard music reproduced like that (and haven't since). That AirTight phonostage and your triode preamp were magic in my system.
I'm wondering if the Shelter is better in the RB300 than the Siggwan. Still, the Benz is more musical with better tone I think.
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Post by michaelw on Dec 21, 2017 22:44:33 GMT 12
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Post by cooksferry on Dec 22, 2017 15:46:51 GMT 12
I'm going to have to stop reading this thread. Each time I come back to it I end up heading over to TM and seeing what's on offer. That Yamaha Yp-d9 currently listed gets tempting but is it an upgrade or merely a move side ways.
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Post by michaelw on Dec 22, 2017 17:08:00 GMT 12
so much choice around the $1100 mark... the above yamaha, a kenwood kd550. several technics ... 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 15:49:28 GMT 12
I'm going to have to stop reading this thread. Each time I come back to it I end up heading over to TM and seeing what's on offer. That Yamaha Yp-d9 currently listed gets tempting but is it an upgrade or merely a move side ways. It’s a nice table dude. Was at his place the other night, had its big brother playing but got a good look at it... noice. I’d take it off him had I the coin... 👍🏿 As for side shift - prolly. But change can be as good as a holiday...
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2019 11:07:29 GMT 12
i made a similar journey...
first escaping from the tyranny of boing boing sprung suspensions,
then from the vagaries of belt drive,
aside from the few initial bugs, the sp10 has been a joy, albeit akin to running a classic car.
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 5, 2019 13:00:57 GMT 12
aside from the few initial bugs, the sp10 has been a joy, albeit akin to running a classic car. You mean only bringing it out when the sun is shining? 
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Post by michaelw on Jun 5, 2019 14:42:17 GMT 12
and with advances in stand alone isolation systems, built-in suspensions are irrelevant. 
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 5, 2019 15:25:18 GMT 12
I've always liked the idea and theory behind a direct drive turntable and its no secret that I hanker after a Kenwood LD-07. Or a Sony PS-X9 or Yamaha GT-2000. Never heard the Yammie but had the pleasure of briefly listening to the Sony. Attack, immediacy and solidity in abundance. Amongst your impressive menagerie of TTs, is there not a DD in your armoury? I don't recall.
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Post by Citroen on Jun 5, 2019 15:39:53 GMT 12
Have toyed with the idea over the years of a Technics SL-1200, or Pioneer PLX-1000 but ended up with a JBE Series 3 as my one and only direct drive turntable, cf 12ax7. Hadcock arm and quite adequate Grado Signature 8 cart. 
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Post by sub on Feb 29, 2020 10:42:17 GMT 12
What makes DD so magic?
Bought my Ortofon 2M Black a year or so ago, and until recently it was installed on my LP12. I was enjoying the sound and thought it was listening to a complete performance. During that time a bought several new albums that others here recommended., e.g. Roseanne Cash- the River and the Thread, Howe Gelb - Sno Angel Like You, Vic Chesnutt - West of Rome. While the performances were ok, they didn’t resonate with me as very fine performances.
A few weeks ago I transferred the 2M Black to my Yamaha YP-D9 (previously discussed above), mainly because I wanted to listen to a couple of 45rpm recordings.
What a transformation, the albums I previously thought just ok! are now fully rounded performances of believable scale. The most dramatic improvement is in the bass, and the nuancing off voices. The Yamaha is staying!
What to do with the LP12? When I first bought it I was using a Denon DL103R low output MC cart, and LP12 won over the Yamaha on delicacy and air. So will probably keep it for when I can afford a decent MC cart and SUT.
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Post by Owen Y on Feb 29, 2020 11:57:41 GMT 12
A tricky Q - things in audio are usually not black & white. I owned an LP12 for many years. More recently I've had a rim drive TT & a DD one. Belt Drives (IME) excell in reproducing a sense of space, nuance, detail. Their 'achilles heel' is punch, 'attack' 'rhythm', pace, 'timing' - because of the 'soft' drive mechanics. Idler/rim & direct drives benefit from a 'hard' drive connection between motor & platter. Of course, this puts the spotlight more on the quality of the motor. But, compared to belt-drives, DDs generally reproduce the 'leading edges' of music better. Also a factor is speed stability & pitch stability - electronic speed controls used by a lot of DDs are criticised for having a negative effect on the reproduction of low-level information, etc. But what I hear, is the 'bigger picture', that DDs reproduce with great rhythm & timing. Bass notes contain the most energy in the freq spectrum & my feeling is that when a bass note hits, a high torque DD motor is able to better resist the micro-effects of 'stylus drag' when tracing these demanding groove modulations. (The speed control may also be a big factor here.) So, what I hear with LFs reproduced by DDs (Technics SL-1200, SP-10) is punchy, extended bass - which adds a lot of rhythm, pace, timing & warmth, to pretty much all types of music. I have been surprised that the 'precision' of reproduction from a DD, also improves preciseness of imaging & thus, space & soundstaging. The Japanese are maybe under-rated for their engineering & much fine equipment created in the late-70 to 80s, is still functioning fine. BTW YMMV but I was simply not able to wring low bass out of my LP12. However, a special midrange-centred liveliness comes out of this deck - the sound signature of that stainless steel top plate IMHO.
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Post by michaelw on Feb 29, 2020 20:07:45 GMT 12
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