Post by Citroen on Sept 13, 2023 19:38:56 GMT 12
devorefidelity.com/devore-fidelity-speakers/orangutan-series/o-baby-speakers/Specifications:
Frequency Response: 38Hz-25kHz
Sensitivity: 90 dB/W/M
Impedance: 8 ohms
Dimensions: 14.75″ w x 9.75″ d x 35″ h including optional stands
Price:
5,600 USD without stands
1,000 USD stands
The Orangutan O/baby is essentially a miniaturized O/96 complete with optional solid oak stand.
Using a horn-loaded .75″ textile dome tweeter and a new 7″ woofer using the same uncoated German paper as the legendary O/96 and O/Reference..Plenty of rave reviews on the net. NZ$11,000 I must say that it looks rather scandi! 
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Post by peter0c on Sept 14, 2023 9:58:58 GMT 12
The Orangatan O/93 are NZ$15k, up from NZ$10k last year. Scary. Good all round speakers. The 0/96 is significantly better.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 14, 2023 16:09:23 GMT 12
Speakers look good. The stands look like a high school woodworking project. 
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Post by Neil on Sept 14, 2023 16:15:20 GMT 12
The Orangatan O/93 are NZ$15k, up from NZ$10k last year. Scary. Good all round speakers. The 0/96 is significantly better. Correction, the O/93s have never been NZ$10K. They've always been $15K. And they are in fact now rrp $19950, with freight and increased costs pushing them up. The O/93 can in fact be better than the O/96, in given systems and rooms.
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Post by Neil on Sept 14, 2023 16:16:02 GMT 12
Speakers look good. The stands look like a high school woodworking project. Perhaps come and see them before commenting. They are significantly better finished than a 'high school wood work project"
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Post by Citroen on Sept 14, 2023 17:47:23 GMT 12
The trouble is that some pics do make them look rather rudimentary. "The cabinet is fashioned from two grades of MDF while the baffle is birch ply with a white oak veneer. The stands are solid white oak to match" But nothing beats real solid wood! 
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Post by michaelw on Sept 14, 2023 19:41:30 GMT 12
Solid white oak is nice. Rudimentary ? Homely ?
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Post by stuzzo on Sept 14, 2023 20:58:10 GMT 12
Speakers look good. The stands look like a high school woodworking project. My high school woodworking project, pretty close! 
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Post by michaelw on Sept 14, 2023 22:22:20 GMT 12
Only one ?
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Post by peter0c on Sept 15, 2023 9:46:03 GMT 12
The Orangatan O/93 are NZ$15k, up from NZ$10k last year. Scary. Good all round speakers. The 0/96 is significantly better. Correction, the O/93s have never been NZ$10K. They've always been $15K. And they are in fact now rrp $19950, with freight and increased costs pushing them up. The O/93 can in fact be better than the O/96, in given systems and rooms.
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Post by peter0c on Sept 15, 2023 9:48:06 GMT 12
My apologies Neil. I was merely quoting information from an obviously unreliable sales assistant at -you might guess - Turned on Audio in Onehunga about 6 weeks ago.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 15, 2023 10:28:46 GMT 12
The trouble is that some pics do make them look rather rudimentary. "The cabinet is fashioned from two grades of MDF while the baffle is birch ply with a white oak veneer. The stands are solid white oak to match" But nothing beats real solid wood!
These chaps approve !
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Post by Citroen on Sept 15, 2023 15:55:33 GMT 12
Speakers look good. The stands look like a high school woodworking project. My high school woodworking project, pretty close! I bought this from a "professional" woodworker. It was badly stained and dented. And NOT cheap...A schoolboy could've done better! 
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Post by michaelw on Sept 15, 2023 16:36:28 GMT 12
Are your racks of vinyl so high you need a step ladder ?
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Post by Neil on Sept 16, 2023 8:06:54 GMT 12
My apologies Neil. I was merely quoting information from an obviously unreliable sales assistant at -you might guess - Turned on Audio in Onehunga about 6 weeks ago. Was that Paul or me? There's only two of us and we know the pricing pretty well given we've imported them for ten years now...
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Post by peter0c on Sept 16, 2023 10:05:39 GMT 12
I don't know either you or Paul so can't answer your question. The O/93s and O/96s are both great speakers.
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Post by Dom on Sept 16, 2023 11:25:19 GMT 12
My apologies Neil. I was merely quoting information from an obviously unreliable sales assistant at -you might guess - Turned on Audio in Onehunga about 6 weeks ago. Was that Paul or me? There's only two of us and we know the pricing pretty well given we've imported them for ten years now...
Was it the feline assistant, perchance? 
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Post by Citroen on Sept 16, 2023 14:24:16 GMT 12
Are your racks of vinyl so high you need a step ladder ? Just, at 6 cubes high.
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Post by Citroen on Sept 16, 2023 14:28:00 GMT 12
I don't know either you or Paul so can't answer your question. The O/93s and O/96s are both great speakers. Maybe it was a helpful punter! 🤣
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Post by peter0c on Sept 17, 2023 11:53:51 GMT 12
I don't know either you or Paul so can't answer your question. The O/93s and O/96s are both great speakers. Maybe it was a helpful punter! 🤣 I have already introduced you to the first law of audiophiles. "When equipment is being demonstrated there will always be one person standing in front of the speakers talking loudly". May I introduce you to a second law. "In any audio shop there will always be one person masquerading as the proprietor who will give you unsolicited and incorrect advice".
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Post by RdM on Sept 18, 2023 21:11:12 GMT 12
I'm impatient with rectangular baffles with sharp edges. As Lynn Olson wrote, " As I mentioned at the beginning of this article, a box is a terrible shape for a loudspeaker. After all, a loudspeaker operates at the speed of sound (not a figure of speech), and what was the last time you saw an airplane that looked like a box? Just like an aircraft, sharp edges and bumps create shockwaves at the rough spots, and these shockwaves create drag in an aircraft and secondary reflections in a loudspeaker. Since these reflections have delays comparable to the delays created by the head and shoulders of the listener, the edge reflections confuse the stereo image, flatten the depth perspective, and create listening fatigue.
The truly correct approach is to use gently sweeping aerodynamic shapes, resulting in speaker cabinets with large-radius curves at least equal to the radius of the midrange cone. Gee, you might think, nobody does this. Why? Cost and cosmetic expectations. That's all.
In aircraft, safety and performance rule, dictating the shape of the aircraft. After all, badly designed aircraft waste fuel and crash; by comparison, badly designed loudspeakers only destroy the sense of musical realism and beauty."
And Harry Olson (don't know if related) published in 1951 effects of baffle shapes (diffraction) on frequency measurements. Free article there, screenshots below.
DeVore, OK, open baffle. Maybe the edges of the baffle plane don't matter so much in a dipole? Well, still, would rounding or sculpting improve it?
They might have great reviews and even measurements. And the same for other box manufacturers. Why not go the extra mile as others have done? What about a sculpted vertical half eggshell shape as an open baffle? Or of course contained all around ... Kef Eggs, others.
Cheers! ;=}))
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Post by RdM on Sept 18, 2023 21:23:28 GMT 12
Maybe it was a helpful punter! 🤣 I have already introduced you to the first law of audiophiles. "When equipment is being demonstrated there will always be one person standing in front of the speakers talking loudly". May I introduce you to a second law. "In any audio shop there will always be one person masquerading as the proprietor who will give you unsolicited and incorrect advice".
A third axiom might be that it could be a helpful punter. And correct advice.
In an audio shop where the sales staff don't know the answer to another punters query, another punter or visitor might be able to supply it. Good all round.
I've been there. ;- )
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Post by tonyd on Sept 28, 2023 9:07:25 GMT 12
Speakers look good. The stands look like a high school woodworking project. Sound good too ,,, I heard them briefly when visiting the shop yesterday.
A pity the US > NZ exchange rate, plus freight etc., makes them rather expensive.
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Post by peter0c on Dec 6, 2023 10:22:22 GMT 12
There is a fulsome and entirely laudatory review of John DeVore's latest incarnation of the Orangutan range, the O/Baby. It is well worth a read as are John Atkinson's measurements. The reviewer Ken Micallef concludes "If you've wanted to experience the DeVore sound but have a smaller room, this speaker was made for you. If you've wanted to sample DeVore Fidelity but at a lower price: ditto. The O/baby's top end is sweetly extended, supertransparent, and informative—probably beyond its older, larger, more expensive Orangutan siblings, both of which spent years in this room. Its midrange is rich but also transparent, in keeping with the DeVore house sound. The low-end delivered everything that mattered on my jazz, electronic, and hip-hop albums with, in this room, more clarity and better control than the larger DeVores." John Atkinson "concludes With its high sensitivity and easy-to-drive impedance, the DeVore O/baby will work well with low-powered amplifiers. Its measured behavior suggests that careful setup will be necessary to optimize the treble balance", this problem being related to speaker height, tweeter beaming and the need for toe-in. Happily, the review confirms some of my biases. 1) Two-way speakers are far more likely than 3-way to provide an integrated sound at a reasonable cost, 2) a large box volumes relative to woofer cone size is much more likely to provide decent bass (as opposed to say a 15 inch woofer in a relatively small box) and 3) the size of the room relative to the box size (i.e. physically small speakers work best in small rooms) makes for a more realistic sound stage and is less likely to excite room reverberations. Go Baby.
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