Post by Citroen on Sept 10, 2019 14:18:45 GMT 12
I had that Kennedy Four Seasons but like a few of my lps somehow I can't find it anymore. My latest Op Shop finds - NIL
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 10, 2019 15:16:11 GMT 12
I have that Nigel Kennedy Four Seasons - haven't played it much.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 10, 2019 15:46:37 GMT 12
i have nige on cd - it's pretty awful, played once or twice in the 22 years i've had the cd
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Post by Citroen on Sept 10, 2019 15:57:39 GMT 12
"the best-selling classical work of all time and has sold in excess of two million copies" What version do you recommend michaelw?
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Post by michaelw on Sept 10, 2019 16:44:08 GMT 12
not nige's i've got a few four seasons think i had a version on sacd too but can't find it fave is the perlman emi asd nz lp stereo/quad
the mutter is nice but the recording is a bit overcooked and getting the cd out of the packaging is a faff.
the cassette was a promo with galliano from decades ago
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Post by foveaux on Sept 10, 2019 17:08:14 GMT 12
"the best-selling classical work of all time and has sold in excess of two million copies" What version do you recommend michaelw ? Kia ora Citroen If you don't have this 'version', have a listen to it from the usual on-line sampling sites: Recommended,
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Post by Citroen on Sept 10, 2019 18:06:01 GMT 12
I know that version and like it.
Any mote conventional ones?
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 10, 2019 21:09:18 GMT 12
Four Seasons - it's hard to go past the ASMF (Academy of St Martin in the Fields) with Neville Marriner, on Argo (Decca). Penguin's top recommendation (they're rather loyal to English performers.) In fact, I should go play it now..... (IIRC I started collecting English copies, that's how popular it was back then (1970?), there's a lot out there.)
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 11, 2019 9:50:31 GMT 12
Here is the ASMF version... According to Discogs source, my copies are a re-issue of the orig 1970 release: " Repress from ca. 1973 - 1979 with the Argo logo in a rectangle on the labels. The original version has an oval logo. " Penguin sez: " It has an element of fantasy that makes the music sound utterly new... "
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Post by michaelw on Sept 11, 2019 11:38:19 GMT 12
julia fischer has a good four seasons with ASMF but i think its dvd only ?
found it on youtubes ha !
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Post by sub on Sept 11, 2019 13:18:16 GMT 12
Perhaps we need a new topic - what is the best Vivaldi Four Seasons?
Have just checked my collection, and it seems with my purchase of the Kennedy, I now own 5 versions on LP, and one on CD! Have tried twice to edit, adding an image, writing a lengthy report, hit save, and each am told “cannot find server” All my work gone! Will try again after I’ve had a cup of tea and a lie down!!
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 11, 2019 14:54:00 GMT 12
sub originally posted this Op Shop score: (I can't find my Nigel Kennedy either - maybe I gifted it to michaelw? )
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Post by Citroen on Sept 11, 2019 15:09:30 GMT 12
My only other Four Seasons
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 11, 2019 15:23:54 GMT 12
Perhaps we need a new topic - what is the best Vivaldi Four Seasons? Good idea - done Perhaps, as you are on possibly a tenuous internet connection, try posting your image firstly with a brief text content - ie. in case you get a 'drop-out'. Then either come back to edit that, or post a follow-up additional text post?
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Post by sub on Sept 11, 2019 15:31:43 GMT 12
To continue my post from above - The 5 LPs are - 1. The Argo issue, ZRG 654, performed by Marriner, referred to by Owen, as above, a nz pressing by Delta Trading Ltd, purchased new from Marbeks in early 70s. (All others bought 2nd hand over the years). 2. I Musici, Philips 1970 issue, being record 1 in a 5 LP set 6747 395, “Vivaldi, 25 Concerti”. 3. Kremer, LSO, Abbado, 1981, DGG 2531 287, Australian pressing. 4. Menuhin, Camerata Lysy, EMI Digital 1982, ASD 3964, nz pressing. 5. Kennedy, English Chamber Orch, EMI 1989, OASD 749557, Australasian pressing. The CD is a Philips reissue of the 1970 I Musici rendering, 420 356-2, made in France and booklet made in West Germany - no date of manufacture discernible. Today I have listened to the Argo and I Musici. The Gramophone mag in 1973 listed them first and second preference in their recommended recordings. After that, I listened to the Kennedy. The Argo (freshly US cleaned & played like a new record) was warm and friendly, very fine musicians, set the bench mark. I Musici had fine moments but I found my attention wandering from time to time. The Kennedy wasn’t what I expected after reading Michael’s comments. To me it was lyrical with more expressed emotion than the other two. It is a keeper (sorry Cliff!) counter dice
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 11, 2019 15:33:11 GMT 12
My only other Four Seasons The Münchinger is old, but somewhat of a 'landmark' release of I Quatri Stagioni! " (The Four Seasons)... it is the most often recorded of any piece of classical muisc...It was Münchinger's famous 1951 mono recording, with Rudolf Barchet and the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra, that established its reputation in Britain, and it is good to see that a Münchinger record still holds its place in the Vivaldi 'top ten'. " (Penguin again (1984 edition))
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Post by Citroen on Sept 11, 2019 15:44:44 GMT 12
The Kennedy wasn’t what I expected after reading Michael’s comments. To me it was lyrical with more expressed emotion than the other two. It is a keeper (sorry Cliff!) counter diceMillions of people agree with you John I have a CD version, so will be content with that.
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 11, 2019 16:36:05 GMT 12
" the best selling classical work of all time and has sold in excess of two million copies. " Nigel Kennedy " is the best-selling classical violinist of all time. " (Amazon) IIRC, the tone of this (1989) Virgin LP to be on the screechy side. My copy still eludes me . However I have found an odd few here... Chandos is always interesting, English recordings. The DG is the Festival Strings Lucerne under Baumgartner, with W Schneiderhan The LCO/Virgin is coupled with Albinoni's Adagio + the Pachelbel Canon - all classical favourites.
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Post by Citroen on Sept 11, 2019 16:41:14 GMT 12
Just gave mine an US clean and I like!
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Post by michaelw on Sept 11, 2019 16:54:19 GMT 12
i've found one worse than nige's
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Post by Citroen on Sept 11, 2019 16:57:41 GMT 12
Surely even you know that sex sells!
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 12, 2019 11:43:20 GMT 12
I don't mind too much that hyped-up pop interpretation, but lose the music video, just keep the music. However, I'm not too keen on those electric violins.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 12, 2019 14:10:05 GMT 12
it was awful, thank the musical gods she has disappeared (last heard banned from olympic skiing for cheating some prelim events lol)
there is only one exponent of electric violin - jean-luc ponty.
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Post by Citroen on Sept 13, 2019 19:40:32 GMT 12
" the best selling classical work of all time and has sold in excess of two million copies. " Nigel Kennedy " is the best-selling classical violinist of all time. " (Amazon) IIRC, the tone of this (1989) Virgin LP to be on the screechy side. My copy still eludes me . However I have found an odd few here... Chandos is always interesting, English recordings. The DG is the Festival Strings Lucerne under Baumgartner, with W SchneiderhanThe LCO/Virgin is coupled with Albinoni's Adagio + the Pachelbel Canon - all classical favourites. "The DG is the Festival Strings Lucerne under Baumgartner, with W Schneiderhan" rang a faint bell. A bit of searching and I found this DG Resonance copy I had forgotten about.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 13, 2019 21:11:20 GMT 12
nice cover
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Post by sub on Sept 15, 2019 10:47:38 GMT 12
I’ve listened two my other two LP versions of the Four Seasons.
Menuhin/Camerata Lysy Gstaad, and despite it being a “digital” recording, this jumps into first place marginally above the Kennedy. Beautifully lyrical playing, toe tapping, air conducting stuff!
The orchestra, CLG, was created by Alberto Lysy within the framework of the International Menuhin Music Academy in Gstaad, and is composed of young virtuoso string players.
The Kremer/LSO/Abbado version on DGG label, is also very fine, with some beautiful quiet moments on side two, almost on a par with the Kennedy, but spoiled a little as my copy seems to have sustained some groove damage creating a bit of crackle in the quiet moments. Has been through my US cleaner so should not be grime, but will give it another clean to be sure.
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Post by Citroen on Sept 15, 2019 11:36:26 GMT 12
My Festival Strings Lucerne copy is unfortunately scratched to pieces, which is probably why I've forgotten about it.
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 15, 2019 15:18:22 GMT 12
Mine is a NZ copy & Penguin says about it: ' Schneiderhahn's fine performance... because of its fast tempi, it is the only version that can make room for a bonus. The snag is recorded quality, which is somewhat insubstantial & lacking in bass. Otherwise it is clean & clear. Surprisingly the bass returns on the bonus item... "
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 19, 2019 15:45:47 GMT 12
Have now had a chance to listen to these versions (or a couple of movements at least, of each): The CHANDOS, Bournemouth Sinfonietta/Ronal Thomas ('79 English pressing): A taut, sharp, lively rendition. Bass is tight & strong. The Milton Abbey venue adds a touch of welcome reverb. DG, Festival Strings Lucerne/Schneiderhan (DG tulips, NZ copy): Pressed lower in sound level, nice violin detailing but lacking bass strings power & warmth (as Pengiun mentions). LCO (London Chamber Orchestra) - '89 England: This is a surprise, not as bright as I seem to recall. A clean, clear, 'alive' recording (in All Saints Church, Wallington) with 'open' fff headroom, wide dynamic contrasts, a good 'acoustic & quiet vinyl surfaces. Broad & strong basses bandwidth. The rendition may be a bit polarising - the fast sections are excitingly, 'racingly' brisk & crisp, contrasting with the slower/quieter sections. 'Modern', maybe. I was surprised, I liked it. The bonus pieces, Albinoni's Adagio (a bit 'dry' lacking some LF warmth) & the Pachelbel Canon (OK, rhythmic & flowing), are 'must listen' popular classical numbers (see below), if you're not familiar. It took me a long while to 'get it' about Baroque, but the great thing is (i) the way that the musicians in a small ensemble 'interplay' relies on good system 'leading edges', pace, timing, micro-dynamics (ii) this music is often recorded in a very 'spacious' ambient acoustic, which is nice, if you can reproduce it.
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Post by sub on Oct 18, 2019 11:23:30 GMT 12
Almost bought another version, Askenazy on violin, but the copy I found at the hospice op shop despite looking mint, both cover and LP, it had a small scratch about an inch long on track one of side 2, so passed . There was also an Argo copy in the same box, very tidy, had a look hoping it was a UK pressing, but no, another NZ pressing. But, having a tidy up of up of my drawers of CDs found another version - Giles Apap & the colours of invention, which I had forgotten about. Apap on violin, Miriam Lafar, accordion, Ludovit Kovac, cymbalum, Philippe Noharet, double bass. Quite entertaining, and different. The opening bars are hummed and whistled, before the violin brings order. Enjoyable, except the violin treble is too hot and piercing in places.
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