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Post by tonyd on Apr 25, 2021 14:31:48 GMT 12
I have a Garrard 4HF turntable in exceptional condition that I am preparing to sell. I have two ceramic cartridges for it (Garrard GCS 10/2 and Ronette TX-88), but I need a suitable modern cartridge to use with it. If anyone has a Stanton (400/500/600) or Shure (S35, M44 etc.) that they are willing to sell could you PM me? I don't mind if I have to buy a new stylus - they seem readily available - but cartridges are more difficult to find.
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Post by papahemi on Apr 25, 2021 17:39:16 GMT 12
No help here I'm sorry, I have just bought a 4HF and promptly picked up a Shure M44MB of TM, new stylus on the way. Had to wait about a week before the M44 came up ($25) then the seller put another up - I think that may have gone too tho'. Best of luck.
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Post by Citroen on Apr 25, 2021 18:46:53 GMT 12
How does the 4HF compare to the SP25 series turntables?
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 26, 2021 8:24:13 GMT 12
I have a stanton 500 thats yours if you want it. Stylus is US but they were readily locally last time I looked.
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Post by tonyd on Apr 26, 2021 10:15:29 GMT 12
I have a stanton 500 thats yours if you want it. Stylus is US but they were readily locally last time I looked. Many thanks Cartridge Guy. Will PM you my email.
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Post by tonyd on Apr 26, 2021 10:28:32 GMT 12
How does the 4HF compare to the SP25 series turntables? It preceded the 301 and has a number of similarities, including the same ivory paint. I would say it is a step up in quality from SP25 although it is a very long time since I had my SP25. This 4HF holds all speeds fairly accurately, and all controls work smoothly and precisely, including the auto arm functions. Paintwork is near-mint. However the tonearm is not really suitable for LPs I think. There is quite a lot of information available about the 4HF that I am working through.Quite an interesting project.
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Post by papahemi on Apr 26, 2021 12:19:28 GMT 12
Would love to see some pics, they may inspire me to work on mine.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 26, 2021 17:23:46 GMT 12
Will pop that in the mail for you tommorow Tony.
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Post by Citroen on Apr 26, 2021 17:32:12 GMT 12
I have a stanton 500 thats yours if you want it. Stylus is US but they were readily locally last time I looked. "Stylus is US"? Been agonizing all day trying to work out what "US" stands for. Surely an American stylus is OK? Ultrasonic? Universal Studios? I gather it means knackered...
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 26, 2021 18:20:20 GMT 12
Unserviceable, stuffed, buggered, Not usable....
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Post by Citroen on Apr 26, 2021 18:57:54 GMT 12
Ah, UnServiceable. Who would've thought!
The Stanton 500 seems to be a popular choice for the 4HF, from what I've read.
An interesting turntable, with some pedigree/parts common with the now near infamous 301. But only cosmetic similarities, with an arm that's not universally suited to modern setups?
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Post by RdM on Apr 27, 2021 0:46:55 GMT 12
Unservicable, hmm, I like it. I'd translated it as Useless. Sometimes if unsure I write Sus for suspect. There seem to be good original Stanton styli here: styli.co.nz/brand/129-stantonI'm using a 600, have an E & EE and maybe even an A conical still spare, but nice to know that they're there.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 27, 2021 13:36:05 GMT 12
Im using a 681 too. Really like it, currently with a conical stylus but have a brand new elliptical waiting in the wings to try at some stage.
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Post by tonyd on Apr 27, 2021 16:02:58 GMT 12
Would love to see some pics, they may inspire me to work on mine. Here are some pics for you:
The cage in the last picture houses the electric 'pitch control'- no eddy brake for this guy - which is apparently somewhat unreliable. That with the auto tonearm control makes the wiring loom quite substantial. Have not yet had the courage to look inside the cage.
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Post by Citroen on Apr 27, 2021 18:43:34 GMT 12
Looks like a nice clean example.
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Post by RdM on Apr 27, 2021 20:16:05 GMT 12
I'm using a 681 too. Really like it, currently with a conical stylus but have a brand new elliptical waiting in the wings to try at some stage.
The 600 is a "Broadcast Standard Cartridge". Part of Stanton's Professional line up?
It had a resonance reducing blob at the end of the cantilever above the stylus.
It's in the 600 series, but not the same as a 681, which I also used to own, fancy wooden box and all. Unfortunately it was OC in one channel, I wasn't able to fix it.
This photo from about 13 years ago, albeit small, shows a comparison. The styli are not compatible.
Here's a pic from when I disassembled the 681, discovered the fault, and tried to fix it. That wire is so fine, and the insulation so tough - paint stripper did nothing - that I resorted to scraping it against a finger with a craft knife. Every time I'd almost got there it snapped, and in the end too short to reach and impossible to unwind further. A sad tale!
However, I have a Stanton 881 waiting in the wings, so hopefully all is not lost! ;=})
I have a second Stanton 600 cartridge and some styli, and was tempted to respond, but I'd already mounted it on a (very lightweight arm) Garrard GT-35P, which I might sell or pass on to a friend, although I'm puzzled about the arm set-up, which originally had an acrylic snap on device to set the stylus in the head-shell, seems an odd alignment.
I'll have to start a new thread about that!
But I also used to own one of those Garrard arms, when I was about 16-17 and building a Mullard 3-3 SE valve amp;-
then I went to an SP25 Mk I heavy cast platter. Mk II was heavy platter as well, but after that it was lightweight pressed steel. But I think I had the arm alone. Can't remember a turntable for it.
But it's a fairly heavy arm, as I recall, so I'm not sure if a high compliance cartridge would suit? Also it doesn't have anti-skate, I think.
The 4HF may have a pressed steel platter?
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Post by papahemi on Apr 28, 2021 7:14:24 GMT 12
That is a nice unit, upon seeing the smaller pics I thought it was in a biscuit tin. My example is a lot rougher:   The usual crappy pics sorry, but you can see I have a lot to do. Now I have something to aspire to. Have you had it in a plinth? What have you done to get it to this stage?
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Post by foveaux on Apr 28, 2021 8:19:30 GMT 12
Would love to see some pics, they may inspire me to work on mine. Here are some pics for you:
Ahh, 'Mazda Racing Orange' ? 
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Post by tonyd on Apr 28, 2021 11:50:47 GMT 12
Here are some pics for you:
Ahh, 'Mazda Racing Orange' ? Ha, good spotting. I like a bit of orange around me: 
I always use it on the workstands I make for turntables I am working on. This is one for Dom's 301 that I did:
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Post by tonyd on Apr 28, 2021 12:00:05 GMT 12
That is a nice unit, upon seeing the smaller pics I thought it was in a biscuit tin. My example is a lot rougher: The usual crappy pics sorry, but you can see I have a lot to do. Now I have something to aspire to. Have you had it in a plinth? What have you done to get it to this stage? It doesn't look too bad, apart from the built-up grime under the platter? Does it have any paint chips or scratches? Have you connected it to power yet?
I don't have a plinth. I see that you can by plinths for 4HF on Ebay. It would be easy to build one, no need for layers of Baltic Pine, special footers etc.
I have not done much so far - new power cord, cleaned the main bearing, fitted a brake pad (with some difficulty), new felt washer, a bit of lubrication on the levers. Now I am looking to tidy up the connections on the tag strip that go to the preamp.
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Post by papahemi on Apr 28, 2021 12:21:11 GMT 12
It has a chip on the right rear side. Not too bad but noticeable. Cord has been cut so no power as yet, but all seems to move smoothly under the hand. I intend to put it in a layered ply plinth made to the form of a biscuit tin and use it as a 7" 45 player.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 28, 2021 17:39:21 GMT 12
A Stanton 881 is a very desirable item: Much envious !
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Post by RdM on Apr 28, 2021 18:30:52 GMT 12
A Stanton 881 is a very desirable item: Much envious ! Unfortunately the cantilever is damaged so it will need a new stylus, when I can afford one.
Meanwhile I noticed, looking up the 4HF(trying to compare the arm I used to have - must have been a TPA10 or TPA12) some reviews, including mention of cartridges, here:
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Apr 29, 2021 15:22:04 GMT 12
Can you still get stylii for those ?
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Post by neilsan on Apr 29, 2021 20:18:47 GMT 12
Got a Jico Shibata for mine.
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Post by RdM on Apr 29, 2021 20:45:36 GMT 12
Can you still get stylii for those ?
Apologies for the topic drift, but oh well, Stanton were mentioned! ;-)
A few minutes with Google (or actually Startpage.com) shows, although I'd researched before, still, good to catch up:
[Edit:] I also see this, apparently made in Japan, with reviews &etc.]
However,
styli.co.nz/brand/129-stanton has a D81S, NZD 190.50, but they are using a generic photo applicable to others.. I intend to ring them and see if it's actually original, and white. Although I have read that the rubber suspension can go off on older NOS Stanton 881 styli.
If you're looking to buy an 881 cartridge, perhaps this link may help?
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Back OT, from the reviews link I posted earlier, maybe a Stanton 500 would suit the slightly medium-heavy arm?
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Post by tonyd on May 4, 2021 9:39:49 GMT 12
Stanton 500AL has arrived - very grateful thanks for that Cartridge Guy - and I picked up two styli for $38 from Sound Division. Now to figure out how to connect it to the three-pin headshell.
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on May 4, 2021 12:41:22 GMT 12
So is that a shared earth Tony ? Good buying on the stylii...
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