Post by Owen Y on Aug 9, 2019 18:52:29 GMT 12
More Giles Martin produced Beatles re-releases: The Beatles 'Abbey Road' 50th Anniversary Editions, coming September 27th New stereo mixes by Giles Martin (producer) & Sam Okell (mix engineer) in these numerous format / product options: - Super Deluxe 4 disc Box Set (3 CDS + 1 Blu-ray), 40 tracks mixed & remastered from the original 8-track tapes. - Includes new 2019 stereo mix of the album. - 2 CDs of 23 additionsal session takes & demo recordings, many previously unreleased. - Blu-ray featuring 5.1, Dolby Atmos, 96kHz/24bit Hi_res stereo mixes & 96kHz/24bit DTS-HD audio 5.1. - 100 page hardback book with hand-written lyrics, recording notes & exclusive photographs. - 3 LP Limited Edition box set, 40 tracks, new stereo mixes + 1 LP picture disc. - 2 LPs of session tracks & demo recordings - half speed mastered. - 2 CD Deluxe set, 17 songs with seesion takes & demo recordings, 40 page booklet. - 1 CD & 1 LP of the new stereo mix of Abbey Road & Limited Edition picture disc LP - Streaming. Michael Fremer is hoping also for a re-issue of " a cut from the original two-track tape, all-analog edition housed in a glossy, laminated "fold over" jacket."
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Post by michaelw on Aug 9, 2019 20:29:24 GMT 12
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by michaelw on Sept 24, 2019 14:20:54 GMT 12
AnalogPlanet - Abbey Road 50th Anniversary Remix Full ReviewRemixed by Giles Martin,1/2 speed remastered, vinyl cut from digital That's 3 strikes - no sale !
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 25, 2019 9:33:02 GMT 12
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac, a Beatles fan, has been listening to the 'remixed' LPs: " ...( This) new version is way more visceral, more exciting.... they sound more like a 'rock' band, less 'poppy', they have a harder edge musically. You just hear them working together as a band. " " ( However) I like that softer, 'more analogue' sound of the 2009 version. "
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Post by michaelw on Sept 25, 2019 10:23:04 GMT 12
the 2009 LP was cut from a digital master  but less digital than the new mix ?  ps forgot about the other thread, combo time !
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 25, 2019 10:37:42 GMT 12
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Post by michaelw on Sept 25, 2019 10:41:06 GMT 12
thanks, i'm on my phone so doing editing stuff is tricky.
been reading some comments about the omission of the originals on these remixes.
one commenter suggested it's because listeners would soon discover how bad these new mixes are.
haha
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Post by foveaux on Sept 25, 2019 11:23:52 GMT 12
thanks, i'm on my phone so doing editing stuff is tricky. been reading some comments about the omission of the originals on these remixes. one commenter suggested it's because listeners would soon discover how bad these new mixes are. haha I'm in Michael's camp. Caveat emptor. So many reissues, re-engineered, remixes etc. have the unmistakable stench of 'marketing' money transfusion vs musical integrity. How many times are they trying to bleed us punters dry? I'm now just slightly interested in 'unreleased' material, and then only after considering 'why didn't the artist release it in the first place?' 
"I see music as a lifetime affair." [Rory Gallagher]
"Free - I miss that band, but when I look back, we were very young" [Paul Rodgers]
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 26, 2019 12:26:18 GMT 12
Well, I've been playing my original UK copy of Abbey Road (stereo) over the past week or so. (White inner sleeve, Side 1 4th lacquer, 4th Mother 104th stamper; Side 2 3rd lacquer, 2nd Mother, 76th stamper.) Maybe not regarded by critics as their best, but I like it very much - for arguably George's best work ('Something' & 'Here Comes the Sun') & Ringo's finest hour ('Octopus's Garden'). Not to mention the rare Ringo drum solo in 'The End' & Paul's remarkable singing on 'Oh Darling'. John maybe a bit disinterested/indifferent by then. What's obvious is the 'analogue' warmth of the entire thing (as Guttenberg mentions). Like Fremer, I had to tweak VTA & VTF to get some balance & some shine from the top end, the cymbals etc. Even so, a bit lacking in sparkle overall - probably partly due at least to the multiple mixing & overdubbing that they tended to do. So, low level detail is v average. But dynamic headroom is good (track pitch is pretty wide on this mastering) & you can really crank up this album to good effect. Also, this was the first Beatles album to be mixed in a transistorised mixing console & George Emerick has mentioned the extra brightness of the earlier valve consoles in comparison. Throughout, Paul's bass lines are 'fat' & super strong, window-rattling on a few tracks. Ringo however, seems to get a raw deal, the kick drum throughout seems 'flat', muted, (curtailed maybe to stretch out all 47 mins for decent dynamic range & to avoid TT bass mistracking). Ringo also tended to damp his kit quite a bit apparently. And the Beatles are known for their 'rounded' guitar (valve) amp tone set-up. Hence, the overall tonal fullness. So, one thing that I imagine could be nice to hear (possibly on the new remix), is some extra sharpness & punch in Ringo's drum kit, ie. the kick, cymbals, top hat. Maybe bring the vocals out a touch more too. I'm going to take a listen to the 2009 Mono Remasters CDs for a comparison (no stereo Abbey Road in there of course). 
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Post by michaelw on Sept 26, 2019 12:35:03 GMT 12
I'm going to take a listen to the 2009 Mono Remasters CDs for a comparison (no stereo Abbey Road of course).
huh ? i tink you mean there's no mono abbey road do you have the mono vinyl box ? they were all analogue, as were remasters of the red and blue compilation albums.
the 2012 remastered stereo vinyl box was cut from CD quality digital.
prior to the 2009 remastering, vinyl was all analogue until 1987 when they switched to digital masters.
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 26, 2019 12:35:13 GMT 12
No stereo Abbey Road on the CD set. Forgot to mention 'CD' set sorry , edited above. No Mono LP box
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Post by michaelw on Sept 26, 2019 12:45:54 GMT 12
haha our edits crossed in the ether. i've got a few beatles sets... nz emi blue box vinyl set, 2009 stereo and mono cd's, 44.1/24 stereo digital files off the apple usb 2014 mono vinyl box sonically, the blue box is king over all but mint originals. 
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Post by Citroen on Sept 26, 2019 14:28:28 GMT 12
I have those same sets Michael but I must admit that I have yet to crack open the CD mono box set, and sold a copy of the CD stereo set.
THe newly mastered set sounds, I mean, looks really good but I'm not enough of a fan to be getting another copy of Abbey Road.
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 26, 2019 15:04:57 GMT 12
Here's Giles Martin's pitch:
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Post by cartridgeguyonline on Sept 26, 2019 17:42:11 GMT 12
Ha was discussing this very same album with heathen a couple of weeks back. Dug out my NZ press stereo version, and its not an album I like enough to own another version of...
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Post by michaelw on Sept 26, 2019 18:53:13 GMT 12
not a fan of the present g martin so no buy
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 27, 2019 11:41:31 GMT 12
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Post by michaelw on Sept 27, 2019 14:24:33 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Sept 27, 2019 16:37:43 GMT 12
And from ccmusic.com US$79.93 about NZ$130 shipped.  Or TradeMe 
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Post by Owen Y on Sept 28, 2019 13:36:12 GMT 12
(How do you know when you've got too many records? Answer: When you start forgetting what you already own ) I unearthed this AU LP copy of Abbey Road & it turns out to be in much better (Ex-NM) condition than the above UK copy (VG-Ex) & I think better sounding overall. The cover has 'STEREO' on top right (see below) & semi-matte cover, not the gloss laminated UK cover. The record label is black & silver Parlophone/EMI, not green Apple Records. The matrix lacquer no's are same & the cut groove pitch looks similar, except Side 1 of the UK LP is a bit wider overall - a general indicator of audible dynamic range IME. This copy is clean & mostly quiet. Overall tonal balance more neutral with noticeably more cymbal & hi-hat 'sheen' & overall sharpness to the drum kit in particular - it sounds like Ringo has come back from lunch I now hear the kick drum (here & there only) & you can enjoy his drumming touches, his little runs & frills. The mixes are clearer & everything more 'present' - voices especially, the harmonies more nuanced, the hand-claps, even a bit of 'ambience', guitars less fiery, perhaps more natural. Paul's bass is still strong, bass weight overall a bit leaner than the UK pressing but a more transparent & enjoyable sound overall. So, don't pass up a good clean AU or NZ pressing of anything old & classic like this. 
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Post by michaelw on Sept 28, 2019 15:39:25 GMT 12
agreed.
experts say those early beatles, including the '80s blue box were cut from emi uk masters and sound very good.
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Post by Citroen on Sept 28, 2019 17:48:00 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Oct 2, 2019 13:36:26 GMT 12
Amazon UK price NZ$118.25 shipped 
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Post by michaelw on Oct 2, 2019 15:19:35 GMT 12
you bought ?
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Post by Citroen on Oct 2, 2019 15:22:50 GMT 12
No, I have all the copies I need/want already
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Post by Citroen on Oct 11, 2019 19:03:06 GMT 12
"Chet" does a comparison with 4 other vinyl versions
edited version,
"Vinyl Rewind
15 hours ago (edited)
This is a reupload that's about five minutes longer than the original video; this includes longer, repeating music samples to better hear differences between the different pressings and more of my opinion. Thank you all who voted for this version, I hope the differences are more clear for you
One final note, I made minor volume adjustments between the different samples. I found the volume levels were overpowering any differences you might hear. In general the US pressing was lowered about -3db, the MoFi pressing was raised about 3db and the 2019 mix was raised about 2db. It did vary between songs and sometimes I had to lower the UK pressing a couple of db."
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Post by michaelw on Oct 11, 2019 19:41:48 GMT 12
chet ? i thought it was john waters after a de-aging.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 12, 2019 10:20:12 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 12, 2019 10:31:57 GMT 12
This clip with Ringo is kind of interesting, relevant to this discussion - he demonstraes how he plays those opening runs at the beginning of "Come Together' (1:56). It makes you appreciate how, on the better pressings of this album (or any Beatles album), you want to hear Ringo's drumming more clearly & more forcefully 'live'.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 23, 2019 8:25:21 GMT 12
ANALOG PLANET reports: " The Beatles just announced The Beatles: The Singles Collection, a limited edition, collectible box set containing 23 180-gram vinyl singles cut by Sean Magee from the original mono and stereo singles mix tapes. "
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