Post by Owen Y on Feb 13, 2017 14:02:28 GMT 12
Not sure about that claim, but good to see stories like this anyway.... www.wired.com/2017/02/warm-tone-record-press-hand-drawn-records/Also, can't agree that modern new vinyl is 'flatter' - my experience is quite the opposite. Not sure if its the smaller shipping quantities or what, but in the 70s & 80s, I seem to recall that warped records only came about from leaving them in the sun  Hand Drawn Records in Texas. (In the video they could also have chosen a record that wasn't edge-warped & slightly eccentric  )
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Post by michaelw on Feb 13, 2017 16:09:27 GMT 12
agreed - record quality now is worse than ever.
the accompanying video contradicts the talking heads...
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Post by guitardude on Feb 14, 2017 9:06:45 GMT 12
Don't know about worse than ever, I remember back in the day some NZ and Australian pressings being pretty dire. Funnily enough at the time we used to consider English and US pressings of much higher quality, and now it seems that record collectors are searching out the NZ pressings ?
IMO I don't think the 180g trend has helped flatness as all, perhaps they are not leaving them to cool for long enough after moulding ?
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Post by michaelw on Feb 14, 2017 10:31:10 GMT 12
when i started collecting back in the late 70s, nz/aus pressings ruled in this import restricted land and i had nowhere near the number of bad pressings that i've experienced in the past 2-3 years. it's almost par to have to buy at least 2 copies of everything  who actively seeks out nz/aus pressings unless its for local artists, even then imports often sound better.
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Post by guitardude on Feb 14, 2017 13:16:52 GMT 12
gee Micheal,
You are having a bad run. I cant honestly recall anything much ive bought over the last few years that I've had much of an issue with, on the proviso that I tend to steer clear of labels such as back to Black,MOV,DOL and suchlike. Most of the Rhino and sundazed stuff I have got has been pretty good pressings, even if the recordings are not the best. On the excellent side of the equation I've found the Music Matters 33 1/3 blue note reissues to be excellent and also the analogue Productions Living ound classical reissues. Neither are cheap though...
There are a couple of local collectors here who chase down NZ pressings. Takes all sorts huh !
Do you remember back when record shops used to have an import bin ?
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Post by michaelw on Feb 14, 2017 14:17:45 GMT 12
i'm a bad pressing magnet if there's a bad copy it will find me. twisted nerve, norah jones, suzanne vega, lucinda williams, bladerunner, planet of the apes, kubo, ninja scroll, sinatra at the sands, holly cole, the who et al just some of the vinyl that i have got doubles of thanks to bad pressings. back in the early 90s the main record shop in palmy -sound city - had a very small import bin, mainly cut-outs. upstairs the classical/jazz annex had probably 30-40% imports. iirc chelsea records and colin morris, both in wellington, were better stocked.
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Post by Owen Y on Feb 14, 2017 14:26:06 GMT 12
IMO I don't think the 180g trend has helped flatness as all, perhaps they are not leaving them to cool for long enough after moulding ? I agree, my experience too - recent pressings, often '180gm', are frequently problematic, warped. I suspect the small qtys shipped/imported now, by smaller distributors.
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Post by Citroen on Feb 14, 2017 16:51:34 GMT 12
when i started collecting back in the late 70s, nz/aus pressings ruled in this import restricted land and i had nowhere near the number of bad pressings that i've experienced in the past 2-3 years. it's almost par to have to buy at least 2 copies of everything who actively seeks out nz/aus pressings unless its for local artists, even then imports often sound better. Good to see a modern pressing machine, especially in this modern day and age, how hard can it be? I don't recall many pressing faults with my 70's/80's/90's vinyl, very rarely having to return any. But you may have a point there. It was mostly NZ/Aus pressed stuff, as the import bin was way too expensive for this Palmy student. Import vinyl was at least 50% more expensive. Now its basically all imported, and my return rate must be at least 5% but probably less than 10%. But could be higher except I think I tolerate minor faults better these days, mainly due to the hassle of returning items, and having a Vinyl Flat. So maybe its just because NZ/Aus stuff was well pressed! 
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Post by michaelw on Feb 14, 2017 18:22:58 GMT 12
well pressed doesn't always mean good sound though.
if anything i think i'm less tolerant now as vinyl is no longer cheap.
you were a palmy student ?
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Post by Citroen on Feb 14, 2017 18:33:19 GMT 12
Indeed, pressing only commented on, not mastering etc.
Massey student from 1983 to 88.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 19:49:23 GMT 12
A very slick looking machine... All hail the advent of the digital record press! A future where an extra one or a missing zero could be what comes between you and analog bliss! It's like ray-ay-ayn on your wedding day. It's a free ride, when you've already paid...
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Post by michaelw on Feb 14, 2017 22:11:41 GMT 12
in my last complaint to mondo i suggested adding a high-resolution download to their presentations would lessen the disappointment of getting one of their bad pressings.
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Post by guitardude on Feb 15, 2017 8:08:15 GMT 12
And they call me a cynical bastard: good one Michael.
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Post by michaelw on Feb 15, 2017 15:26:32 GMT 12
i got a partial refund, no replacement as the kubo ost is oop.
no word on downloads
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