Post by cooksferry on Oct 2, 2017 6:49:42 GMT 12
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Post by sub on Oct 2, 2017 8:22:43 GMT 12
I have the rarer YP-D9, a Japan only fully manual version of the D8, which apparently has an improved arm compared to the D8. Never tried adjusting the VTA as the arm must have been set up properly previously. It looks absolutely level when playing, so to my mind it is best to leave it alone, especially since the shakes due to my worsening essential tremor make fine work like that a bit of a mission! Installing carts in headshells and setting up tend to be a long and arduous process thanks to that genetic condition!
Paid $1200 for mine about two years ago - the restorer I bought it from sold another D9 a bit later for $1500. Watching this D8 with interest as I find a fully manual TT a bit of a chore now, especially having to leap up from my seat to turn it off at the end of a side, completely spoiling the effect of the listening session!
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Post by sub on Oct 2, 2017 8:47:17 GMT 12
Interesting looking arm although I see from doing some searching that its reasonably common to have problems with the VTA wheel starting to malfunction. Did some Googling myself after reading that! Found the discussion at Audiokarma about the stiff/seized VTA wheel. Had extensively researched the D9 before buying it, but most info about that model is in Japanese so the VTA issue is new to me. That prompted me to check mine, and thankfully it works perfectly. Everything moves freely. Interesting to read on the AK discussion,that VTA can be adjusted on the fly, so will try that sometime.
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Post by cooksferry on Oct 2, 2017 9:05:52 GMT 12
Interesting looking arm although I see from doing some searching that its reasonably common to have problems with the VTA wheel starting to malfunction. Did some Googling myself after reading that! Found the discussion at Audiokarma about the stiff/seized VTA wheel. Had extensively researched the D9 before buying it, but most info about that model is in Japanese so the VTA issue is new to me. That prompted me to check mine, and thankfully it works perfectly. Everything moves freely. Interesting to read on the AK discussion,that VTA can be adjusted on the fly, so will try that sometime. Having the ability to adjust VTA on the fly is something that has always appealed to me. Unfortunately never been able to talk myself into either getting a table or arm that allows that.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 2, 2017 10:29:57 GMT 12
looks good and offered at a fair price, wonder what it will eventually sell for ? $700-ish ? vta on the fly is for the birds.. set and forget for less stress repairs on these old deck isn't too bad as long as discrete components are used. refer to the pix of my sp10's innards. where you come a cropper is if the manufacturer used custom IC's that control major functions and they crap out, instant paperweight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 10:48:46 GMT 12
Interesting guy. Bought an old Philips table off him once. Younger than than me and didn't strike me as overly knowledgeable, we promised to catch up for a beer and never did. Several years and all manner of interesting 'selling off all my gear' listings later, well I don't drink, but dang I wish I'd gone for that beer... Awesome table.
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Post by Citroen on Oct 3, 2017 14:28:45 GMT 12
I was hoping no-one else noticed this...Yeah Right!
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Post by SL1210 on Oct 4, 2017 12:35:17 GMT 12
Micro Seike Arm? All in all it seem pretty good. Platter, feet, mat and headshell all look improvable. If I had not bought a pair of Technics SL1210s I would have been interested.
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Post by sub on Oct 9, 2017 20:31:43 GMT 12
Sold to the guy from Greymouth!
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Post by cooksferry on Oct 9, 2017 21:35:43 GMT 12
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Post by michaelw on Oct 10, 2017 9:30:20 GMT 12
didn't that sell a while ago ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 16:16:42 GMT 12
At the risk of being offensive, you'd have to replinth that before you let it in your house. The chap sure weren't no carpenter!? 😳🤔
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Post by Citroen on Oct 10, 2017 16:59:42 GMT 12
Yes, I thought it had sold too. I want it FOR the plinth, you Heathen!
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Post by michaelw on Oct 10, 2017 17:55:01 GMT 12
i'm with monsieur c - that plinth looks nice !
can't beat rustic slabs of wood.
although mixing kauri and matai is a bit of a no-no.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 10, 2017 18:55:59 GMT 12
Very nice plinth, solid wood apparently, pity there's no underside or plinth-only pics. The pedant in me (which gets out quite a lot these days) would point out that nearly all NZ timbers are 'softwoods'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 20:09:32 GMT 12
Wha?? Timber is lovely. Grain is lovely. Colour is lovely. But butt joints? Not so much. For my money there is a total lack of craftsmanship there. That said, the consensus is against me so I shall accept that with the good grace it deserves and... No, wait. I'm right and you're all wrong!? 😜
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Post by Citroen on Oct 10, 2017 20:38:50 GMT 12
Nothing wrong with butts (clean and simple), cf fingering joints is messy/busy looking.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 10, 2017 20:41:52 GMT 12
upon closer inspection the craftsmanship is somewhat lacking.
it looks worse than my jarrah plinth of unknown origin.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 11, 2017 8:15:10 GMT 12
Hmmm.. Heathen makes a fair point, nice rounded corners & I would have preferred to have seen the full length timber across the front, not the sides. However, the honest, solid, rough-hewn look has appeal. As opposed to what SOTA did with their old finger-jointed plinths....
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Post by jon on Oct 12, 2017 5:42:54 GMT 12
ROFL - there is a lovely shot of a Garrard 401 in the pics for that advert.
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Post by cooksferry on Oct 12, 2017 5:54:15 GMT 12
ROFL - there is a lovely shot of a Garrard 401 in the pics for that advert. Now that would get me seriously interested. Re the Goldring/Lenco, are those original arms as clunky as they look ? Maybe it's the chunky looking head shells that don't appeal.
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Post by jon on Oct 12, 2017 11:12:37 GMT 12
Now that would get me seriously interested. Re the Goldring/Lenco, are those original arms as clunky as they look ? Maybe it's the chunky looking head shells that don't appeal. They are as clunky as they look, however they can be bought up to modern spec (with a degree of work). New V blocks, new, new, new. You get the idea. I'm told they are quite respectable once that is done, however I'm with you on the clunky front. Check on Lencoheaven for info. The other issue here is that the arm is a weird length and so major adjustments need to be made to accommodate other arms, including major surgery on the top plate...
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Post by jon on Oct 12, 2017 11:15:43 GMT 12
Something else, the L75 is just as good as the Garrard 401/301. Both need work and both have strengths and weaknesses! I have both (a 401 and a Lenco).
The good thing about the Lenco is it's not rated as highly as the Garrard. So cheaper!
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Post by michaelw on Oct 12, 2017 11:28:32 GMT 12
hi jon,
what are the pros and cons of a vertical vs. horizontal idler ?
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Post by jon on Oct 12, 2017 11:39:01 GMT 12
Not a lot in it... What follows is my opinion and I will stress that the differences are marginal. If I only had the Garrard I'd be very happy, if I only had the Lenco I'd be equally as happy!!!
The Garrard is very, and I mean very, slightly quieter. Whether that's due to the drive or not I'm not sure, however for quieter more intimate pieces it is better than the Lenco.
The Lenco seems to be a lot more rhythmical with a drive and urgency that the Garrard lacks. My mental image?
The Garrard is a gentleman, in a smoking jacket, the epitome of a Jazz era wealthy elite. Intimate and refined! The Lenco is more a country type, alive and kicking, stein raised on high, and dancing round a fire.
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Post by jon on Oct 12, 2017 12:05:08 GMT 12
How do I know? I made identical plinths with the same tonearm and cartridge and listened.
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Post by Citroen on Oct 12, 2017 15:44:34 GMT 12
How do I know? I made identical plinths with the same tonearm and cartridge and listened. That's the sort of test I like. As few variables as posssible. I have a 401, and L75 as well. But the 401 trumps (bad choice of word!) the L75, mainly because the Lenco is unmolested whereas the Garrard is replinthed and has a much better arm and cart, so I can't really make a fair comparison. But your words do inspire me to finally do something with the Lenco. I'm currently looking at Moldova and Austrian plinths off ebay. They offer some where I can add a 9 +/- 12 inch arm to bypass the crude original arm. Shipping seems to be the killer though.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 12, 2017 19:27:38 GMT 12
Get a plinth made locally? If you can get CAD drawings done, a CNC machinist could cut it. Then if you can get a woodworker to glue-assemble & finish in your preferred finish. (Or hand-finish yourself.)
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Post by jon on Oct 13, 2017 6:58:26 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 13, 2017 11:21:41 GMT 12
(Sorry cooks, we may need to open a new thread for this....) Citroen - how much is shipping one of these from Europe?
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