Post by Owen Y on Aug 21, 2017 21:24:04 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 5:44:25 GMT 12
I lust for one of these arms on an old Technics DD... but at that price? Ouch.
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Post by cooksferry on Aug 22, 2017 7:28:51 GMT 12
Lots of choices around for a good arm at that price point. Are they really that good or buoyed by nostalgia.
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Post by jon on Aug 22, 2017 9:07:59 GMT 12
Lots of choices around for a good arm at that price point. Are they really that good or buoyed by nostalgia. I'd plump for nostalgia. Good arms for the time, technical knowledge and ability. There are better arms available, in my opinion
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Post by michaelw on Aug 22, 2017 11:45:52 GMT 12
agreed.
an arm for a vintage vinyl playback system with a high compliance cartridge,
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Post by Owen Y on Aug 22, 2017 12:21:56 GMT 12
A different design from todays arms - knife-edge bearing, alloy arm tube, lightweight headshell..... Synergistic match with Denon DL103 they say. Rarity value, I guess, in this NOS condition.
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Post by michaelw on Aug 22, 2017 12:26:54 GMT 12
the packaging and presentation of my modern sme has not changed a bit  
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Post by Citroen on Aug 22, 2017 16:31:58 GMT 12
When I saw that I thought they had either added an extra naught by accident, or had already sold it elsewhere/privately so artificially jacked up the price on TM so no-one would bid!
Used these usually sell for $300 to $500. NOS maybe double that?
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Post by michaelw on Aug 22, 2017 16:43:06 GMT 12
not exactly rare either.
Official Factory Production Statistics
Series I: 1959-1963, approximately 10,000 built
Series II: 1963-1973, approximately 180,000 built
Series II Improved: 1973-2003, 260,484 built
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Post by deano1974 on Aug 22, 2017 17:01:36 GMT 12
Intersting saga, and good to know how many productions runs for each arm were completed 😊
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Post by Citroen on Aug 22, 2017 17:28:48 GMT 12
not exactly rare either. Official Factory Production Statistics Series I: 1959-1963, approximately 10,000 built Series II: 1963-1973, approximately 180,000 built Series II Improved: 1973-2003, 260,484 built Hey michaelw, Any stats on the SME 3012R?
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Post by michaelw on Aug 22, 2017 20:39:58 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Aug 23, 2017 1:48:15 GMT 12
"only" one  Unlike this bevy 
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Post by guitardude on Aug 23, 2017 8:23:49 GMT 12
Dreaming...
Last one of those I sold off for about $300.00 on TM IIRC. Sonically not great, good match for Shure V15. At that price not far off the price of one of the newer SME arms ?
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Post by deano1974 on Aug 23, 2017 8:42:39 GMT 12
What was the difference between the 3012 II and the R version?
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Post by guitardude on Aug 23, 2017 8:53:41 GMT 12
Detachable headshell IIRC. R= Rigid or fixed ?
Do I get an extra star if i'm right ?
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Post by Graham on Aug 23, 2017 10:16:33 GMT 12
"Tell im ees dreamin"
However he may find an audiophool, you never know on Trade me !
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Post by sub on Aug 23, 2017 10:47:23 GMT 12
"Tell im ees dreamin" However he may find an audiophool, you never know on Trade me ! I tried to advise a TM lister they were asking too much for a Plinius 2100i amp (asking $1100), and got a very rude response! Over a month later and several relistings is still unsold.
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Post by Citroen on Aug 23, 2017 12:25:46 GMT 12
What was the difference between the 3012 II and the R version? Arm tube - alu cf stainless steel, different counterweight, bearing. Others? The R is compatible with a wider range of carts, and more neutral but less "romantic" sounding.
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Post by Citroen on Aug 23, 2017 12:29:00 GMT 12
Detachable headshell IIRC. R= Rigid or fixed ? Do I get an extra star if i'm right ? Minus one star R has detachable headshell as well. No idea what the R stands for.
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Post by guitardude on Aug 23, 2017 13:46:42 GMT 12
Bugger...
I do recall one of these that had a fixed headshell though ? No i'm not counting the 3 or 3S...
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Post by nakmad on Aug 23, 2017 16:47:36 GMT 12
Bugger... I do recall one of these that had a fixed headshell though ? No i'm not counting the 3 or 3S... GD, That would be the 3009 Series II Improved.. title off the box reads Model 3009 series II improved non-detachable shell . The swoppy version is the model 3009/S2 Improved (detachable shell). Had the former, still got the latter.
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Post by Citroen on Aug 23, 2017 17:37:14 GMT 12
There were no 12 inch fixed headshell variants in the 3xxx series AFAIK
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Post by deano1974 on Aug 23, 2017 19:26:00 GMT 12
R = revison, Maybe?
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Post by Owen Y on Aug 23, 2017 19:53:01 GMT 12
R = stainless steel arm tube, among other detail changes?
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Post by nakmad on Aug 23, 2017 20:21:32 GMT 12
The R's certainly employed a Stainless steel arm tube, like the original series 1's, and some detail differences at the back end, the most obvious being much finer graduations for adjustment. According to my refs: Series 1 Stainless steel
Series 2 Aluminium Alloy
Series 2 imp Aluminium Alloy
Series 2 R Stainless Steel
Series III Titanium
Series IV Magnesium
Series V Magnesium
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