Post by michaelw on Jul 7, 2017 20:07:23 GMT 12
after years of faffing about and more pressing events taking my hard earned, i finally sprung for a new Lyra Delos. WOW ! this is pure music, makes me forget denon, dynavector, koetsu, shelter etc where can i upload images
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Post by Citroen on Jul 7, 2017 21:19:53 GMT 12
There seems to be a lot of love for that Delos. I had one lined up for a decent asking price about a year ago but got gazumped again by someone who offered more. At the time I put it down to a sign that it mustn't have been the right cart for me. michaelw In what ways does it better the Dyn 20x?
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Post by michaelw on Jul 7, 2017 22:22:42 GMT 12
everything. makes the dv sound mechanical. vanishingly low distortion. sweet, wide open sound, although at this stage the dv sounds a bit more dynamic and reaches lower down. there's zero needletalk whereas the dv prouduced so much you could listen without turning the amp on. currently playing my jap. wings at the speed of sound. track 2, silly love songs always played with right channel distortion. flawless with the lyra. next will be the problematic shelby lynne just a little lovin' - original release. running in at 1.75g, 47k load
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Lyra Delos Jul 8, 2017 7:43:39 GMT 12
- Edited Jul 8, 2017 7:49:06 GMT 12 by Owen Y
Post by Owen Y on Jul 8, 2017 7:43:39 GMT 12
The SME arms are known to have good LF performance & the SP10 will be no slouch in that dept, so I suspect both could be a nice match w the Lyras which seem to have a strong reputation in the 'resolution' dept. Interesting that J Carr continues to use magnetically permeable coil former material (I believe), whereas some cart designers now do not (Benz, Miyajima). Advantages are that output is higher, with less coil winding, lower coil mass....'fast' dynamic performance & HF tracing. Also the Lyras will respond to occasional degaussing, demagging. (All conjecture on my part )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 9:46:09 GMT 12
I consider that high praise coming from you, Mr. Wong. As Citroen has said, there is a lot of love for this cart atm. All the well heeled rollers on StereoNET seem to have one... Personally, I'd be worried one of my kids would pop it in his mouth and start sucking on it... Enjoy. If you need a second opinion - I'm always about....
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Post by michaelw on Jul 8, 2017 11:24:00 GMT 12
The SME arms are known to have good LF performance & the SP10 will be no slouch in that dept, so I suspect both could be a nice match w the Lyras which seem to have a strong reputation in the 'resolution' dept. Interesting that J Carr continues to use magnetically permeable coil former material (I believe), whereas some cart designers now do not (Benz, Miyajima). Advantages are that output is higher, with less coil winding, lower coil mass....'fast' dynamic performance & HF tracing. Also the Lyras will respond to occasional degaussing, demagging. (All conjecture on my part ) spot on analysis ! neodymium magnet - high low output 0.6mv cf. my dv20x2l 0.3mv lyra recommends periodic fluxbusting and " “pre-angled” damper system that aligns the coils and magnetic circuit with the application of the proper VTF. Most cartridges, Lyra claims, provide this alignment only when no tracking force is applied. " with the delos (and later models) lyra has taken the well travelled path of retaining all the detail and attack of earlier designs and imbuing them with great musicality. i'd said the delos has all the speed and detail of a helikon, without the over analytical, threadbare nature. now to warm the room up and some more listening ps... the little hole is used to aid in simple alignment like a 3 hole rega. this cartridge produces no needletalk at all < might have mentioned that before... it is a very low rider !
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Lyra Delos Jul 10, 2017 19:03:27 GMT 12
- Edited Jul 10, 2017 19:03:43 GMT 12 by Owen Y
Post by Owen Y on Jul 10, 2017 19:03:27 GMT 12
currently playing my jap. wings at the speed of sound. track 2, silly love songs always played with right channel distortion. flawless with the lyra. next will be the problematic shelby lynne just a little lovin' - original release. running in at 1.75g, 47k load I suspect that the Shelby Lynne is un-fixable, sadly
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Post by Citroen on Jul 10, 2017 19:28:49 GMT 12
everything. makes the dv sound mechanical. vanishingly low distortion. sweet, wide open sound, although at this stage the dv sounds a bit more dynamic and reaches lower down. there's zero needletalk whereas the dv prouduced so much you could listen without turning the amp on. currently playing my jap. wings at the speed of sound. track 2, silly love songs always played with right channel distortion. flawless with the lyra. next will be the problematic shelby lynne just a little lovin' - original release. running in at 1.75g, 47k load I'm after a "meaty" sounding cart. Which is meatier, the Dyn or Delos in your system?
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Post by michaelw on Jul 10, 2017 21:46:56 GMT 12
neither are as meaty as a denon 103.. how about a new grado ? some models available in low output
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Lyra Delos Jul 10, 2017 23:13:58 GMT 12
- Edited Jul 10, 2017 23:14:27 GMT 12 by Owen Y
Post by Owen Y on Jul 10, 2017 23:13:58 GMT 12
I'm after a "meaty" sounding cart. Miyajima, no question, for me. However, you may have to trade in a few of your 103Rs for one....
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Post by Gryffles on Jul 10, 2017 23:53:43 GMT 12
They do come up used now and again.
A Shilabe for $1300 US recently with under 50 hrs. Just wouldn't have worked on my tonearm
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Post by Owen Y on Jul 11, 2017 9:32:28 GMT 12
The Shilabe should be fine in any tonearm higher than 11gms Eff Mass - which is most tonearms. Failing memory... remind me, what is your tonearm?
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Post by michaelw on Jul 11, 2017 9:50:36 GMT 12
that rules out my oracle sme - effective mass 9.5g btw - the original shelby is now much more listenable, the lyra seems to have suppressed most of the nastiness in the recording. it's still second fiddle to the ap 45rpm version bt the gap has closed. next, the 4mwb dusty in memphis !
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Post by Owen Y on Jul 11, 2017 10:04:07 GMT 12
Just use heavy mounting bolts to bring tot mass up to anything above 20g. Oracle say that the arm will counterweight carts of 6-17gm.
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Post by michaelw on Jul 11, 2017 11:08:55 GMT 12
speaking of mounting bolts, from the delos manual...
" Don't use other screws unless they are confirmed suitable by Lyra or its distributor, as the wrong thread size may damage Delos's body. If the thread size is correct, changing the screw headshape and material will affect the sound, and experimenting can be fun. Nonetheless, the supplied screws are made of a non-standard stainless-steel alloy which in our experience gives the best sonic results with Delos."
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Post by Gryffles on Jul 11, 2017 11:58:50 GMT 12
The Shilabe should be fine in any tonearm higher than 11gms Eff Mass - which is most tonearms. Failing memory... remind me, what is your tonearm? VPI JMW 9 9.5g eff mass. Not ideal
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Post by Owen Y on Jul 11, 2017 12:56:09 GMT 12
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Post by michaelw on Jul 11, 2017 14:57:08 GMT 12
dusty in memphis - 4men with beards re-issue - sounds awful ! bright, thin, digital, fatiguing. wish i still had my original philips. might have to spring for the ap 45rpm set
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Lyra Delos Jul 12, 2017 9:48:57 GMT 12
- Edited Jul 12, 2017 14:32:12 GMT 12 by Owen Y
Post by Owen Y on Jul 12, 2017 9:48:57 GMT 12
As I recall, my 4MWB Dusty in Memphis is a bit loudness-compressed (ie. cut loud & reduced dynamic range as a result), treble is a bit grainy/coarse/metallic (possibly transferred from CD?) but the big Southern Soul sound is there. (I think there may also have been a few minor glitches on the vinyl.) I've never heard an Atlantic orig but we know that the vocal track was mostly recorded not in the Memphis studio, so unsurprisingly, sometimes sounds a bit odd, detached. But otherwise listenable, although disappointing - great music, as we know. I have a Philips re-issue 'Dusty in Memphis - Plus', which sounds analogue as I'd expect for a 60s/70s recording - but the extra tracks mean that the cut is a bit squashed dynamically.
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Post by Citroen on Jul 12, 2017 16:26:43 GMT 12
I used to cringe a bit with the Dusty 4MWB but just playing it now, yes a bit bright and steely but quite listenable. Is my hearing really getting bad? Or my system levelling things out? Either way I reckon I'm on a winner as more music sounds more enjoyable!
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Post by michaelw on Jul 12, 2017 17:02:39 GMT 12
on the flipside ...
the bonnie rait slipstream is more listenable but still sounds overcooked.
a uk first press wings band on the run sounds amazing.
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Post by Citroen on Mar 28, 2019 17:39:02 GMT 12
Sounds very good so far...
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Post by michaelw on Mar 28, 2019 18:27:55 GMT 12
haha monsieur C ! did you by the one on TM ? it likes 47k
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Post by Citroen on Mar 28, 2019 18:34:32 GMT 12
Indeed, set at 47k.
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Post by Owen Y on Mar 28, 2019 19:34:07 GMT 12
Monsieur Citroen - what sort of headshell is that Delos mounted on? Is it an aftermarket Ortofon, Jelco or such?
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Post by harvey on Mar 28, 2019 20:05:11 GMT 12
I've had mine a few years now, welcome to the club! 45rpm Dusty in Memphis is worth the money IMO. Attachments:
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Post by Citroen on Mar 28, 2019 21:57:40 GMT 12
Monsieur Citroen - what sort of headshell is that Delos mounted on? Is it an aftermarket Ortofon, Jelco or such? Correct, Ortofon LH-9000
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