Post by Citroen on Oct 16, 2018 16:00:30 GMT 12
Not flat! Send it back... or is it your platter that's not flat? re: static build up. I had that too when I first put it on. There was a big static dis-charge/noise, but ever since there's been nothing. I use it on my Aura now. The 401 sounds better with it too, so could be persuaded to have one on that too. At the right price, of course! lol  Do keep posting with your impression once you've heard a few more albums with it.
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Post by SL1210 on Oct 16, 2018 17:05:32 GMT 12
just got it unpacked. it's well made, not perfectly flat, just a teeny ripple. first record i put on slipped under pressure of my record brush. a bit of static build up too. sonically, it's quite different to my herbies. the tenuto sounds more incisive, spatial, detailed, neutral. more later... you already have one !   There is no way I would accept a 'solid' mat that was not perfectly flat. In general though my view is that the importance of mats depends on the platter material. In the case of Delrin platters I would say a mat is optional. At the other extreme with a metal platter then they are essential. For the Technics SL1200 family the platter is metal and is imperfectly damped by a poorly glued rubber underlay. The result is that the platter resonates like a gong. In this scenario a good quality mat is essential. Think along the lines of Achromat to separate the platter from the record. Another approach is from Oyaide who use butyl to effectively damp the platter.
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 16, 2018 17:05:33 GMT 12
Link to source/seller please? (For those who can only afford to ogle these bling things  )
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Post by michaelw on Oct 16, 2018 17:35:33 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 16, 2018 18:47:17 GMT 12
wwooo...shhh (sharp intake of breath sound )
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Post by michaelw on Oct 16, 2018 18:58:12 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 16, 2018 19:30:47 GMT 12
Spotted amongst the RMAF 2018 photos: 
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Post by michaelw on Oct 16, 2018 19:51:54 GMT 12
jumbo platter !
looks like a modded denon table ?
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 17, 2018 6:31:50 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Oct 17, 2018 7:43:32 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Oct 17, 2018 14:57:52 GMT 12
Another shot of the PBN Vintage Direct Professional: 
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Post by Citroen on Oct 17, 2018 16:02:57 GMT 12
Is the "copper" top an integral part of the turntable, or a separate addition that comes with it?
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Post by Citroen on Oct 17, 2018 16:06:30 GMT 12
just got it unpacked. it's well made, not perfectly flat, just a teeny ripple. Any update michaelw on your thoughts regarding flatness, and sound quality?
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Post by michaelw on Oct 17, 2018 17:36:54 GMT 12
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Post by Citroen on Oct 17, 2018 18:13:20 GMT 12
Ummm, that's pretty subtle...
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Post by michaelw on Oct 17, 2018 18:28:57 GMT 12
what's subtle ?
lack of flatness or marks in lacquer ?
is yours perfectly flat, with unmarked surface.
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Post by Citroen on Oct 17, 2018 18:47:49 GMT 12
The flatness. I can see it but only after you've pointed it out. But is it audible?
The marks are noticeable and mine has a few as well (when seen in the right light, a few slightly etched areas of a few mm), but I figure that they can only be seen up close and have no bearing on the sound quality. So not concerned about them at all.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 17, 2018 20:28:36 GMT 12
google munged the video lol not audible 
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 12, 2019 13:10:41 GMT 12
My 401 seems to work best with the Resomat, lifts the album off the platter rather than directly coupling it.  A few more words about the Resomat, which I bought recently from TransFi (also sells on ebay) for GBP30 - not inexpensive, but cheaper than many. Vic (TransFi) says that he can discern no difference in sound between this (with 5mm high 'cones') & the 12-13mm high cones used on the Resomat which comes with his TransFi Salvation TT. What I can say, is that it sounds excellent on the Technics SP-10 TT. Being only 5mm high, it is identical thickness to the original rubber mat & no messing with VTA required. I doesn't so much enhance the sound, rather it seems to let everything perform without colouration or degradation. I discern no negative effects so far. I'm getting the best sound out of the system to date & the Resomat seems 'transparent' - great bandwidth, tone/texture, power, resolution.... Just one thing - it does sound crisper, with more leading edge 'attack' when adhered to the platter (so that it cannot rotate), but use only say thin dble side tape squares under just 3 of the outer cones. (I initially tried around 9 little tape squares around under the plastic sheet & this did not sound good, restricted, less bass, tight & reduced tonal richness. I've no idea why & YMMV )  
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Post by michaelw on Jun 12, 2019 14:49:07 GMT 12
got a pic of a record on the mat ?
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Post by Dom on Jun 13, 2019 10:07:17 GMT 12
On my 301 I've been trying a few mats (the original Garrard rubber and a felt LP Gear ZMat) but also a Goldmund Relief Mat. This seems to be the complete opposite of the Resomat. It's made of metacrylate, which Goldmund say most closely mimics the properties of vinyl. When clamped, the record becomes 'as one' with the platter. (Ommm.) Trouble is the mat is so thick that (once VTA'd) there's not enough spindle left for my clamp to bite so I could try a weight, I suppose. DD
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 13, 2019 10:08:39 GMT 12
got a pic of a record on the mat ? How's this?... 
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Post by michaelw on Jun 13, 2019 10:57:27 GMT 12
thanks !
dom;
is goldmund still making their mat ? have you tried it without a clamp ? i had a similar mat on my old linn and it sounded much better without a clamp. clamping resulted in a tight, overdamped sound that sounded forced, very hi-fi-ish, unmusical.
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 13, 2019 11:10:24 GMT 12
On my 301 I've been trying a few mats (the original Garrard rubber and a felt LP Gear ZMat) but also a Goldmund Relief Mat. This seems to be the complete opposite of the Resomat. It's made of metacrylate, which Goldmund say most closely mimics the properties of vinyl. When clamped, the record becomes 'as one' with the platter. (Ommm.) Trouble is the mat is so thick that (once VTA'd) there's not enough spindle left for my clamp to bite so I could try a weight, I suppose. DD Hi Dom, (i) I'd use what sounds best to you on yout TT, there is probably some synergy factors that come into play. And personal tastes. (ii) Clamps, as I've said before, I've never liked the sound clamped, but YMMV To me, a clamp removes low level information & constrains dynamic 'openness' (gosh I think I concur with MW here ) I have a barium-loaded methacrylate mat, adhesive-backed, Audioref I think (France) - which I haven't tried recently. My Goldmund 'Relief Clamp' usually gathers dust. 
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Post by michaelw on Jun 13, 2019 11:34:40 GMT 12
sidebar - my well tempered absolutely needed a clamp
without it, it was unfocused, loose and floppy sounding
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Post by Citroen on Jun 14, 2019 19:24:41 GMT 12
To clamp or not to clamp? Record weight vs clamp.
Deserves a new thread of its own!
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Post by Dom on Jun 21, 2019 21:14:59 GMT 12
MW, I believe it was discontinued some years ago but they can surface for sale. To be honest, I'm not fussed on the clamp, an aluminium(?) strobed Michell. It came with the 301 but the Goldmund mat didn't. I love the look - I can see totally why people collect clamps/weights. They really can set off a turntable! DD
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Post by Owen Y on Jun 21, 2019 23:10:32 GMT 12
sidebar - my well tempered absolutely needed a clamp without it, it was unfocused, loose and floppy sounding Did the WTT have a concave-dished platter, do I recall correctly? If so, clamp mandatory & should be included.
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Post by michaelw on Jun 21, 2019 23:58:03 GMT 12
yes, bare concave acrylic.
back in the day some users flipped the platter over and used the flat side with a soft mat, clamped or clamp-less.
later, the amadeus adopted a flat acrylic platter with felt mat.
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Post by Citroen on Jun 22, 2019 6:57:53 GMT 12
later, the amadeus adopted a flat acrylic platter with felt mat. The Amadeus started with a webbed foam mat 
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