Post by guitardude on Feb 20, 2017 7:48:05 GMT 12
Was the 300mc the same cart as used in the SL10 ?
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Post by RdM on Feb 20, 2017 20:04:43 GMT 12
Was the 300mc the same cart as used in the SL10 ? Since no-one else has answered, and I wondered the same thing last night;- and you might not be aware of this resource, no. www.vinylengine.com/library/technics/sl-10.shtml shows that it used a 310MC www.vinylengine.com/library/technics/eps-300mc.shtml gives its specs, Astonishingly low 0.1mV output as noted. But I'd be a little leery to bid, even if I had the money, regardless of the owners best character, knowledge (or not) of its history (except that sounding good definitely counts for something!) - unless there were microscope pics of the tip, revealing any wear or not, how much, etc. Especially with a non-replaceable stylus. www.micrographia.com/projec/projapps/viny/viny0300.htm gives some clues as to what to look for, with side-mounted lights. www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=92795 has some recent starter queries re this, and www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=92996 has some follow-up. (and some very nice pictures, beyond the average user's reach...) Also these from vinylengine forums (still getting used to this reply format!): Is there a way to visually check if a needle is good?In earlier reading on this I'd also noted www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/stylus-microscopes.87723/and this, possibly a bit overkill, but worth noting perhaps: www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/sparkys-fabulous-diy-stylus-microscope.225960/After reading the above, and having taken a few photos through an old-school ex TradeMe microscope ( a smaller camera fitted over the eyepiece easier than a larger lens one) experimentally a few times earlier, I recently hooked up a couple of halogen lights each side of the scope, to see if I could see these wear spots at even only 100x magnification, & yes! On an old Pickering. It's still a bit hard to tell, sometimes, but I think I'm getting closer to seeing the difference between wear and a new stylus, which I have had a few to compare, and taken earlier pics of. More pics later, perhaps. I hope the links might be interesting generally anyway... and perhaps inspiring. Cheers for now, ~ Ross.
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Post by guitardude on Feb 21, 2017 9:05:16 GMT 12
Thanks RDM,
Something in the memory bank told me it was a similar thing. IIRC the 310 was a P mount version. I don't recall there being any issues at the time regarding output but again iirc the SL10 had a gain stage built into the output. Technics did make a head amp, but iirc it was designed for their MM cartridges which were low output too. My EPC100 only puts out 1.0mv which is very low for a MM. (and struggles in my system tbh).
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Post by Owen Y on Feb 22, 2017 8:35:54 GMT 12
...... After reading the above, and having taken a few photos through an old-school ex TradeMe microscope ( a smaller camera fitted over the eyepiece easier than a larger lens one) experimentally a few times earlier, I recently hooked up a couple of halogen lights each side of the scope, to see if I could see these wear spots at even only 100x magnification, & yes! On an old Pickering. It's still a bit hard to tell, sometimes, but I think I'm getting closer to seeing the difference between wear and a new stylus, which I have had a few to compare, and taken earlier pics of. More pics later, perhaps. I hope the links might be interesting generally anyway... and perhaps inspiring. Thanks Ross. I have a nice Olympus lab microscope that will do 40-1000x but as you say, it is difficult to discern wear. You can, however, observe the general quality of a stylus & its construction. I've recently considered a USB digital microscope - has anyone used one & can recommend a good, cost-effective product? (I'll open a new thread here, rather than digress guitardude 's thread.)
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Post by nakmad on Apr 24, 2017 19:56:49 GMT 12
Wow thanks guys - ruby or sapphire cantilever, no less. I may have to be prudent first & confirm that this fella hasn't suffered internal organ failure, - with say a regular elliptical/alumin, before springing for an SAS. If you get stuck Owen, you are welcome to have a play with a Pudney aftermarket one that I use for playing the occasional grungy 2nd hand records when the 205CIII is on the SP25... prehistoric compared to the original, but it works..
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Post by nakmad on Apr 24, 2017 20:03:59 GMT 12
My favourite is my Garrott P77 with SAS stylus from Jico.The Technics epc207 with the Jico 205 SAS stylus is a close second.And my Shure V15/3 SAS is very nice as well.Just need to muck around with the capacitance loading to find the best sound. My Stanton 881 with the Jico shibata sounds great too.Has more surface noise than the others though.Perhaps that's why it's no longer listed! I bought the P77 years ago from the Garrott brothers.Stopped using it when I thought it had worn out,so was without it for years,until I noticed references on the web about the Jico stylus 1 and decided to chance it.Sounds better than the original stylus (which I still have).And a lot cheaper than buying the replacement from the Garrott agent in Australia,although the new SAS/S version is dearer. Neilsan....I've had a look, even put on my best Sunday spectacles, but I cant seem to find them on the Jico site, wouldn't mind getting a new stylus for my P77 too. Can you point me in the right direction please? cheers, NM
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Post by neilsan on Apr 24, 2017 21:37:46 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Apr 25, 2017 9:04:26 GMT 12
If you get stuck Owen, you are welcome to have a play with a Pudney aftermarket one that I use for playing the occasional grungy 2nd hand records when the 205CIII is on the SP25... prehistoric compared to the original, but it works.. Thanks nakmad - I'll make sure i don't lose the EPC-205CIIS, it's been sitting around here for a while, cantilever & suspension still intact, but no stylus.
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Post by michaelw on Apr 25, 2017 11:27:21 GMT 12
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Post by Owen Y on Apr 25, 2017 14:06:11 GMT 12
Well that's interesting - thanks!
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Post by nakmad on Apr 25, 2017 16:56:12 GMT 12
Thanks Neilsan, very much appreciated
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Post by michaelw on Apr 25, 2017 19:34:35 GMT 12
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Post by nakmad on Apr 25, 2017 20:23:22 GMT 12
Looks identical to the one I have.. same colour.... same cats claw on a broom handle
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Post by neilsan on Apr 25, 2017 21:03:42 GMT 12
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Post by neilsan on Dec 12, 2017 21:00:12 GMT 12
Looks like Jico are making the SAS stylus again,and prices for the sapphire and ruby styli have come down. Asked about the new SAS on their site and had this reply. (I thought that boron was not available any more.)
Thank you for inquiry.
The material of cantilever for Stylus 1 SAS is boron.
Boron SAS has been on sale since December 1, This boron SAS stylus is good at reproduction for creating a delicate sound like classical.
The stylus neo SAS/S(the material of cantilever is sapphire) is different from boron SAS.(referring to my previous buy).
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Post by neilsan on Dec 13, 2017 20:49:04 GMT 12
Very strange.Logged into Jico's site and the SAS sapphire and ruby cantilevers have been removed!!
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Post by neilsan on Dec 15, 2017 7:29:05 GMT 12
Looks like they're popular. JICO @jico_stylus 12h12 hours ago
We are inundated with SAS, neoSAS/S and neoSAS/R orders, so we cannot receive your order for these items. We apologize for any inconvinience we caused. Thank you for your understanding.
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